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	<title>Comments on: Zenith doesn&#8217;t pay their bills, their web site gets shut down</title>
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		<title>By: Zenith Killer</title>
		<link>http://shankman.com/zenith-doesnt-pay-their-bills-their-web-site-gets-shut-down/comment-page-1/#comment-1543</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenith Killer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Questions.

1) Is this cool? No, this was just a last possible measure.

2) If you&#039;re a small PR firm/shop/agency, how do you deal with non-payment? I guess, you know the drill. Try not to pay your bills for a year. This was all in the contract.

3) Does this help or hurt the agency who&#039;s doing this? It helped.

4) Does making specific named allegations help or hurt the people named, or is it more dangerous to the agency, as well? At this time we do not give a sh..t. We have tried all other possible options. That one worked.

5) Does anyone notice that there&#039;s no mention of the agency that built this in the first place? We have not created (or managed) the site, we just hosted it at our facilities.

Personally I do not like when 40000 people and multi-billion dollars company is trying to screw 10 people company, since our survival depends on every pay check we are receiving. We are not hackers, we are tech guys who are trying to make a honest living. We used to be official vendors for many years. LG should be thankful, we have not disabled other LG web assets we are controlling. We have nothing much to loose, LG does, but I do not think our actions hurt reputation of LG much, it is not that great anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions.</p>
<p>1) Is this cool? No, this was just a last possible measure.</p>
<p>2) If you&#8217;re a small PR firm/shop/agency, how do you deal with non-payment? I guess, you know the drill. Try not to pay your bills for a year. This was all in the contract.</p>
<p>3) Does this help or hurt the agency who&#8217;s doing this? It helped.</p>
<p>4) Does making specific named allegations help or hurt the people named, or is it more dangerous to the agency, as well? At this time we do not give a sh..t. We have tried all other possible options. That one worked.</p>
<p>5) Does anyone notice that there&#8217;s no mention of the agency that built this in the first place? We have not created (or managed) the site, we just hosted it at our facilities.</p>
<p>Personally I do not like when 40000 people and multi-billion dollars company is trying to screw 10 people company, since our survival depends on every pay check we are receiving. We are not hackers, we are tech guys who are trying to make a honest living. We used to be official vendors for many years. LG should be thankful, we have not disabled other LG web assets we are controlling. We have nothing much to loose, LG does, but I do not think our actions hurt reputation of LG much, it is not that great anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jones</title>
		<link>http://shankman.com/zenith-doesnt-pay-their-bills-their-web-site-gets-shut-down/comment-page-1/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>David Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bold move.  I wonder what their contract says about ownership of the site, control of the domain and approval of any changes to content.  I smell legal action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bold move.  I wonder what their contract says about ownership of the site, control of the domain and approval of any changes to content.  I smell legal action.</p>
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		<title>By: HB</title>
		<link>http://shankman.com/zenith-doesnt-pay-their-bills-their-web-site-gets-shut-down/comment-page-1/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>HB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 09:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer taking the site offline but not saying that it was done so for non-payment. Something like:
&quot;We&#039;re sorry for the inconvenience but this site is temporarily off line. If you are the owner or administrator of this website please contact sitedown@thedomainnameofthesiteoffline.com&quot;

I think it hurts everyone involved if you name names and make allegations. It looks spiteful and unprofessional (and even if you don&#039;t sign your name people can find you if they want to badly enough.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer taking the site offline but not saying that it was done so for non-payment. Something like:<br />
&#8220;We&#8217;re sorry for the inconvenience but this site is temporarily off line. If you are the owner or administrator of this website please contact <a href="mailto:sitedown@thedomainnameofthesiteoffline.com">sitedown@thedomainnameofthesiteoffline.com</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it hurts everyone involved if you name names and make allegations. It looks spiteful and unprofessional (and even if you don&#8217;t sign your name people can find you if they want to badly enough.)</p>
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		<title>By: FN</title>
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		<dc:creator>FN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s back down again w/ the same message...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s back down again w/ the same message&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LazyCorpsWhoDon'tPayBills</title>
		<link>http://shankman.com/zenith-doesnt-pay-their-bills-their-web-site-gets-shut-down/comment-page-1/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>LazyCorpsWhoDon'tPayBills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting tactic.  On the one hand, it seems to have worked.  OTOH, they&#039;ve probably lost any follow-on contract work with LG AND given themselves a rather nasty reputation to pretty much any future customer who might take a look at them.

Would I have taken their site down in their position?  Probably, or created a &quot;this site is down until further notice due to technical difficulties&quot; page.  Would I have put the names of the offending corporate lazy-a$$es who are too cheap to pay their bills?  Absolutely not.  That&#039;s the rub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting tactic.  On the one hand, it seems to have worked.  OTOH, they&#8217;ve probably lost any follow-on contract work with LG AND given themselves a rather nasty reputation to pretty much any future customer who might take a look at them.</p>
<p>Would I have taken their site down in their position?  Probably, or created a &#8220;this site is down until further notice due to technical difficulties&#8221; page.  Would I have put the names of the offending corporate lazy-a$$es who are too cheap to pay their bills?  Absolutely not.  That&#8217;s the rub.</p>
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